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  • Jun. 29th, 2009 at 7:39 PM
Buffy 2, WttH

I’ve marathoned Buffy S3. I’ll try to keep comments to a paragraph length:
Helpless: The “taken literally, incredibly gross” B/A scene is a WAY better parody of B/A than the one in “The Zeppo.” And of course Buffy finds it sweet that Angel fell in love with her when she was a lollipop-sucking 15-year-old and followed her for a year without saying a word to her. Anyway, I wonder why Giles is more easy forgive in this ep than he is in “Lies My Parents Told Me,” despite his actions here being worse, and I’m looking for an answer other than the obvious, “Everything was better in the first three seasons,” because he really does seem colder to me in LMPTM. Also, I’m surprised that the Council never tried to off Buffy and make it look like an accident so they could get a newer, more compliant Slayer.

The Zeppo: Aside from the last few minutes and Were-Oz being “oddly full” the next day (hee hee) I’m officially tired of this one. The humor just seems so…off. Maybe because I expect humor to be funny? And can I just say that it seemed like, in “Gingerbread” and “Helpless,” the stage was set to re-integrate Cordy into the Scoobs – she saves the day in “Gingerbread,” helps Buffy twice in “Helpless” and shows her human side…they were so ready to get her back in the group and get her back together with Xander at least for the rest of the season, and they DIDN’T. WHY?!

Bad Girls: There are some plot/character development issues in here – when exactly did Buffy and Faith become best friends again? Was it between their tentative making up in “Amends” and their not interacting at all whatsoever in the two subsequent episodes? But it’s fun, so it’s easy to ignore. I love pissy Giles, dorky Wesley (much more than I love dark Wesley), Balthazar the whiny demon…ha ha ha.

Consequences: You know, I’m not sure I understood the difference between Buffy and Faith just based on their hair/clothing choices, but after Faith smarting off to the cop and Buffy meekly answering his questions, I think I FINALLY understand the Good Slayer/Bad Slayer parallel. Anyway, I know people have problems with Angel being made to be SO SPECIAL that of COURSE he’s the only one who can reach Faith, but this I actually buy. Buffy’s right – she’s too close to the situation to be able to help Faith, and Angel has some experience in that area. I also don’t mind Willow’s bathroom crying jag so much, because this time she at least does it in private and doesn’t unload on Xander, plus Faith also tried to kill him.

Doppelgangland: What’s fun about this is watching how much of Vamp Willow’s personality resurfaces in Dark Willow. For a brief period in S3 I actually love Angel for refuting – or starting to, anyway – Buffy’s claim that vampire personalities have nothing to do with human personalities, because that is a BIG LIE. Plus, PERCY, who is so hot and SO into Willow it’s not even funny.

Enemies: This also has major plot issues, as others have addressed – why does the Mayor want Angelus back, when did Buffy figure out Faith was betraying her, did Giles just have this shaman friend of his on call, and all that, but the thing that bothers me the most is Buffy’s “I’m better than you” speech to Faith. It’s too mean. A Buffy who really thought that Angel had turned evil has every right to make that speech and hit Faith where it hurts. A Buffy who was in on the plan the whole time…well, she has the right to say anything she wants to a person who’s about to torture her and reveling in it, but it just feels cruel to talk about how much better she is than Faith when she’s had every advantage in life that Faith hasn’t. The girl with all the privilege is mocking the one with none. And best of all, they use ANGEL to prove that one is “better” than the other – Faith is clearly better because Angel wants her, and Buffy is clearly better because the “real” Angel really wanted HER, or something. Blech.

Earshot: So, just to confirm, Buffy’s uneasiness about the whole Faith/Angel issue has nothing to do with Angel easily slipping into Angelus – no, she’s worried that Angel liked kissing Faith. Spare me. Otherwise, I *love* this episode. A great balance of pathos and comedy. In fact, I think a lot of the individual S3 episodes are like that. For one-offs, this is a great season; too bad it has very little arc to speak of.

Choices: *Yawn.* You know how people hate it when Xander gets nasty with Buffy about Ms. Calendar and Angel, especially since he was arguably the least affected by Angelus’ reign of “terror?” I agree, and that’s how I feel about Willow’s smackdown of Faith. When she’s all, “Boo hoo, you had more in your life than some people!” I just want to shake her. Yes, girl from middle-class privileged background, go ahead and lecture the abused and neglected one about life choices! I don’t think Faith’s bad childhood is an excuse for her actions as an adult, but I also don’t think Willow has the right to lecture her on it. Growing up with Sheila Rosenberg couldn’t have been fun, but all things considered, she’s been FINE. Other than that, I think it’s important for me to mention that, for the most part, I’m really enjoying Willow in season three. Aly looks amazing – great haircut and her skin is so clear it’s almost glowy.

The Prom: Ah, the beautiful episode where Angel breaks up with the woman he supposedly loves in a sewer because her mom told him to, because the grown-ups need to make the decisions for the lost little girl. And he shows up to the prom after breaking her heart, only to disappear right afterwards, because that’s what he does – dangle little crumbs in front of her so she can never fully get him out of her head. Asshole. Anyway, I love the Class Protector award, and I love that the perfect Buffy high school moment was NOT dancing with Angel but getting recognition for all the great work that she does. Xander/Cordelia stuff is nice, I guess, but I still wanted an early reconciliation. Boo.

Graduation Day: OMG, ANGEL, GO AWAY! GO AWAY AND LEAVE HER ALONE! YOU SAID YOU WOULD LEAVE – THEN LEAVE! STOP SENDING MIXED SIGNALS SO SHE’LL NEVER BE ABLE TO GET OVER YOU! And it’s been said before, but I can’t buy their relationship as a good thing if her love for him is what inspires her to murder a human and FEED her to a vampire, thus betraying everything a Slayer stands for, and if it also inspires her to forsake her duty and put herself in the line of danger and possible death just so her murdering boyfriend can live. And, I love that it’s the Council refusing to help save the life of one of the most vicious vampires of all time that convinces Buffy to “graduate” from them, and NOT the Council putting her life in serious danger. But somehow, Buffy wanting to feed Faith to Angel is more forgivable than Buffy telling Wood she wouldn’t protect him from Spike, for some reason.
I still get misty-eyed at the graduates rising against the bad guy. I get so caught up in it that I never remember exactly why the Mayor wants to turn into a big snake. S3 is such a weird season. I think it’s the strongest in terms of balance between pathos and comedy, and actually is the funniest season overall. But I think it definitely has the weakest arc. Faith’s arc is strong, but when the strongest arc is NOT for the titular protagonist but for the secondary character who’s not even in the main cast, that’s problematic. I mean, I find the Mayor a HELL of a lot more entertaining than Glory and I looove him, but I at least understand Glory’s motivation – I don’t understand the Mayor’s at all. And now on to season 4 – the arc that has the best setup and execution and is truly in an arc-y form, yet suffers from being NOT REMOTELY INTERESTING.



Real-life update coming soon, complete with details about brothers' graduations.

Comments

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[info]gabrielleabelle wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2009 12:06 am (UTC)
And of course Buffy finds it sweet that Angel fell in love with her when she was a lollipop-sucking 15-year-old and followed her for a year without saying a word to her.

Yeah. That squicks me like nothing else.

Anyway, I wonder why Giles is more easy forgive in this ep than he is in “Lies My Parents Told Me,” despite his actions here being worse, and I’m looking for an answer other than the obvious, “Everything was better in the first three seasons,” because he really does seem colder to me in LMPTM.

I'd never thought of this. In all honesty, I'd say it's because it's so early in the game and this is the first time we see Giles break with the Council. He's still struggling between his duty to Buffy and his duty to the Council. By S7, he's emphatically sided with Buffy for many years and has shown no problems following her lead. That's why it's so shocking in LMPTM when he openly plots to kill Spike against her wishes.

There are some plot/character development issues in here – when exactly did Buffy and Faith become best friends again? Was it between their tentative making up in “Amends” and their not interacting at all whatsoever in the two subsequent episodes?

The first time I watched Bad Girls I was convinced Buffy was under some weird spell or something cause her behavior made no sense to me. They could definitely have done with better build-up to this episode.

So, just to confirm, Buffy’s uneasiness about the whole Faith/Angel issue has nothing to do with Angel easily slipping into Angelus – no, she’s worried that Angel liked kissing Faith. Spare me.

Ugh, that irritates me so much! It's like, "Yeah, let's take the shallowest conflict possible".

And he shows up to the prom after breaking her heart, only to disappear right afterwards, because that’s what he does – dangle little crumbs in front of her so she can never fully get him out of her head.

Word.

Buffy getting the Class Protector award makes me cry, though. I was actually upset that it got destroyed in the very first episode of S4.

OMG, ANGEL, GO AWAY! GO AWAY AND LEAVE HER ALONE! YOU SAID YOU WOULD LEAVE – THEN LEAVE! STOP SENDING MIXED SIGNALS SO SHE’LL NEVER BE ABLE TO GET OVER YOU!

My "favorite" part is when he calls her a brat for getting upset at seeing him.

And it’s been said before, but I can’t buy their relationship as a good thing if her love for him is what inspires her to murder a human and FEED her to a vampire, thus betraying everything a Slayer stands for, and if it also inspires her to forsake her duty and put herself in the line of danger and possible death just so her murdering boyfriend can live.

This is why I ultimately dislike the "Faith poisons Angel" part of these episodes. S2 had Buffy choosing to sacrifice Angel to save the world. That's how freaking vested she is in her duty. This just kinda throws all that away and says, "Yeah, never mind. She'll ignore an upcoming apocalypse in lieu of saving her beau. Yep." Just...makes no sense!
[info]swsa wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2009 01:09 am (UTC)
Yeah, the Angel poisoning seems like mostly a way for them to get an epic drinking scene before Angel's gone, but plot-wise, it really doesn't make much sense. With everything else going on, the Mayor and Faith putting that kind of time and effort into taking one guy out of the mix seems pretty ridiculous.
[info]queenofdenile wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2009 03:34 am (UTC)
Buffy getting the Class Protector award makes me cry, though. I was actually upset that it got destroyed in the very first episode of S4.

It didn't get destroyed! Sunday stepped on the handle but Buffy can easily tape it back together! That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

This just kinda throws all that away and says, "Yeah, never mind. She'll ignore an upcoming apocalypse in lieu of saving her beau. Yep." Just...makes no sense!

And a lot of people had issue with Buffy leaving the demon egg mission in "As You Were" to have sex with Spike, but didn't have an issue with this, even though the ascension is a much bigger deal.
[info]gabrielleabelle wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2009 03:40 am (UTC)
It didn't get destroyed! Sunday stepped on the handle but Buffy can easily tape it back together! That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

I like this. I will accept this as my canon. :)

And a lot of people had issue with Buffy leaving the demon egg mission in "As You Were" to have sex with Spike, but didn't have an issue with this, even though the ascension is a much bigger deal.

...but Buffy leaving the demon egg mission for Spike was the whole point of AYW...that Buffy was slacking in her duty due to her post-resurrection issues. But supposedly slacking in her duty to chase after a woman to kill and feed to her dying ex-boyfriend is A-OK...
[info]queenofdenile wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2009 03:47 am (UTC)
It's forgivable if it's for ANGEL. If it's SPIKE, then Buffy's just written out-of-character.
[info]swsa wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2009 01:06 am (UTC)
Even though I often disagree with both of you, I always enjoy reading yours and blixie's Cordy love and your Faith-love. So yeah, I don't have issues with how either Buffy or Willow treat her, but I love how loyal you are to her. *g*

The one thing I'll give S3 B/A is that I really like Angel's final goodbye. Watching it the first time, I was so braced for another sobby love scene, that to see the restraint in just letting him fade away...I really do think it's really moving and perfect.

And, I love that it’s the Council refusing to help save the life of one of the most vicious vampires of all time that convinces Buffy to “graduate” from them, and NOT the Council putting her life in serious danger.

I never really thought of it specifically in those terms before, but yeah, that's pretty messed up. And I'll never really get why I should view the Council as unreasonable on this point.
[info]queenofdenile wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2009 03:37 am (UTC)
So yeah, I don't have issues with how either Buffy or Willow treat her, but I love how loyal you are to her. *g*


Heee. Well, to be fair, it's not like I think Faith doesn't deserve either of their comments. At this point, she totally does. I just wanted better from Buffy and Willow, I suppose. Buffy's speech is totally kickass if you think she's facing her torturer with courage, knowing she will likely die, but knowing she was in on the plan...I don't know, it just seems beneath her. I don't think I'm explaining it right. And I can't help feel that Willow's main problem with Faith is her having sex with Xander.

And I'll never really get why I should view the Council as unreasonable on this point.

What gets me is that GILES is all intense with, "Did you explain these were special circumstances?" Like GILES is that invested in Angel's welfare. I get that he'd want to support Buffy, but he came across as actually caring about Angel, which I don't buy at all.
[info]blixie wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2009 02:14 am (UTC)
The “taken literally, incredibly gross” B/A scene is a WAY better parody of B/A than the one in “The Zeppo.”

It SO is.

Anyway, I wonder why Giles is more easy forgive in this ep than he is in “Lies My Parents Told Me,” despite his actions here being worse,

For me it's two things one obvs is Revelations and the fact that there's some karmic balance involved in them hurting/betraying each other, there is as sense that she owes him a degree of forgiveness, but here's where I actually say I don't have THAT big a problem with what he does. Or at least I see it as of a piece with the way he has always handled Buffy. He's been telling her lies for so long, lies he believes help her, lies that help HIM, so I think it was very easy to justify the test was just more of the same, trial by fire to keep her strong, to keep her safe.

Also he's incredibly conflicted about it, we see him arguing against it, even if he doesn't come clean with Buffy.

LMPTM, is one of my favorite episodes ever, and I love it because it's Giles in his wheel house, only he's abdicated the role he was playing in her life for a while, and he's only recently returned. I don't think he seems cold, so much as desperate, desperate to assert that he still plays a valuable role in Buffy's world, that he is still her ultimate council, and I think that's a very good metaphor for parents/children, especially parents/children when they've moved into the adult child phase. Cause they still think they know what's best for you, they will always think they know that better than you.

I had empathy for Giles even as I was angry at him, that's the show at it's very best, whereas in Helpless I wasn't really angry with him, so much as disappointed, so it was much less complex and difficult, and thus less good, to me.

Edited at 2009-06-30 02:16 am (UTC)
[info]queenofdenile wrote:
Jun. 30th, 2009 03:40 am (UTC)
I don't think he seems cold, so much as desperate, desperate to assert that he still plays a valuable role in Buffy's world, that he is still her ultimate council, and I think that's a very good metaphor for parents/children, especially parents/children when they've moved into the adult child phase. Cause they still think they know what's best for you, they will always think they know that better than you.


Man, now I can't wait to get to that episode, even though it hurts so much. It's really kind of perfect for a man who does not WANT to be Buffy's father, but still can't help loving her like a father loves a daughter.
[info]clevermonikerr wrote:
Aug. 11th, 2009 01:21 am (UTC)
Also, I’m surprised that the Council never tried to off Buffy and make it look like an accident so they could get a newer, more compliant Slayer.

I thought the same thing about Faith, and wondered why they didn't just smother her with a pillow during her coma. I mean, I'm glad they didn't because I loved Faith's arc on Season One of Angel, but at least Buffy was still slaying even if she quit the council.
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